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On souls

May 13th 2010 00:33
I've written on this before, but here it is again...

The problem of "grace" is that Christians can't tell you what the word means. Does it mean forgiveness? Benevolence? Generosity? Gift? Courtesy? Power? Mercy? Goodness? ... It seems unparaphrasable, perhaps in similar fashion to "time", which doesn't seem expressible in terms of concepts that don't presuppose it.

The Christian knows this difficulty, recognizes "grace" as something mysterious, realizes it's hard to grasp intellectually. But he/she also feels that "grace" is meaningful. So when they say "by the grace of God", they mean something, not nothing; and the propositions that are asserted whilst using the word have significance for other propositions, are related to them.

Almost as if "grace" means something within the discourse of Christianity, but doesn't mean anything outside it.

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The man who mistook his wife for a hat by Oliver Sacks
Oliver Sacks
In The man who mistook his wife for a hat (1985), Oliver Sacks describes a number of patients with Korsakov's Syndrome, which is basically like loss of the ability to create short-term memories -- think "Memento".

"One tended to speak of him, instinctively, as a spiritual casualty -- a 'lost soul': was it possible that he had really been 'de-souled' by a disease? 'Do you think he has a soul?' I once asked the Sisters. They were outraged by my question, but could see why I asked it. 'Watch Jimmie in chapel,' they said, 'and judge for yourself.'

I did, and I was moved, profoundly moved and impressed, because I saw here an intensity and steadiness of attention and concentration that I had never seen before in him or conceived him capable of. I watched him kneel and take the Sacrament on his tongue, and could not doubt the fullness and totality of Communion, the perfect alignment of his spirit with the spirit of the Mass. Fully, intensely, quietly, in the quietude of absolute concentration and attention, he entered and partook of the Holy Communion. He was wholly held, absorbed, by a feeling. There was no forgetting, no Korsakov's then, nor did it seem possible or imaginable that there should be...

Clearly Jimmie found himself, found continuity and reality, in the absoluteness of spiritual attention and act. The sisters were right -- he did find his soul there. And so was Luria, whose words now came back to me: 'A man does not consist of memory alone. He has feeling, will, sensibility, moral being".

In contrast, another patient with Korsakov's presented as a "confabulator" -- he continuously made up stories, and talked on and on...

"This strikes everyone who has been in contact with him for any time -- that under his fluency, even his frenzy, is a strange loss of feeling -- that feeling, or judgement, which distinguishes between 'real' and 'unreal', 'true' and 'untrue'... important and trivial, relevant or irrelevant. What comes out, torrentially, in his ceaseless confabulation, has, finally, a peculiar quality of indifference... as if it didn't really matter what he said, or what anyone else did or said; as if nothing really mattered any more...

Oliver Sacks
Stephen T Asma
It was this which convinced me, above everything, that there was some ultimate and total loss of inner reality, of feeling and meaning, of soul, in William -- and led me to ask the Sisters, as I had asked them of Jimmie G., 'Do you think William has a soul? Or has he been pithed, scooped-out, de-souled, by disease?'

This time, however, they looked worried by my question, as if something of the sort were already in their minds: they could not say, 'Judge for yourself. See Willie in Chapel'... There is an utter pathos, a sad sense of lostness, with Jimmie G. which one does not feel, or feel directly, with the effervescent Mr Thompson. Jimmie has moods, and a sort of brooding (or, at least, yearning) sadness, a depth, a soul, which does not seem to be present in Mr Thompson. Doubtless, as the Sisters said, he had a soul, an immortal soul, in the theological sense; could be seen, and loved, as an individual by the Almighty; but, they agreed, something very disquieting had happened to him, to his spirit, his character, in the ordinary, human sense."

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So, Sacks uses the word "soul" to mean something like "person", "essence of being a person", and desmonstrates use of the word even with theology removed.

Stephen T Asma, in a recent article, I think rehabilitates soul talk in terms of both the above ideas -- that "soul", like "grace", can be meaningful in terms of a particular discourse; and that there's plenty to the word beyond the notion of spiritual substance.

Perhaps "God", "karma", "heaven" can be similarly redeemed.

Stephen T Asma
"[T]he sentences 'James Brown has soul' and 'My soul is anchored in the Lord' rely on a very different system of meaning -- they don't correspond to anything particularly. Instead they take their meaning from a coherence they have with other terms, concepts, values, connotations, and associations. 'This song has soul' means: This music restores us, this music has integrity, there's something authentic and natural in its style, this music contains strong emotion, the repetition is hypnotic or ecstatic, there are elements of the African-American experience in this music and these lyrics, this song draws on gospel and R&B genres, this song is so funky you can smell it, and so on. That is the matrix of connotations that make up the context of soul talk -- and the soul talk is coherent to the extent that it coheres in some way with all these other experiences and meanings. In that sense, the soul is meaningful to many of us without any scientific verification of its existence... We can 'debug' soul talk. We can detach it from its now unwarranted metaphysical history".

-- "Soul Talk", The Chronicle Review, 2 May 2010


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Secular Christianity

May 5th 2010 17:37
So there are four canonical gospels. Mainstream Biblical criticism regards Mark as having been written first, about half a century after Jesus' death. Luke and Matthew seem to draw from the text of Mark; and, since they have similarities to each other that aren't found in Mark, are proposed also to be based on a separate document, "Q". From memory, John was written in stages, later than the three "synoptic" gospels, and I can't remember to what extent, if at all, it's based on them.

One of the most interesting and well-preserved of the non-canonical gospels is the Gospel according to Thomas. Full translations of this text are available online.

The most obvious difference between Thomas and the canonical gospels is that it's non-narrative. There are no stories. Instead, it consists of a number of sayings. Around half of the sayings in Thomas correspond to verses in the canonical gospels. (And when there's a correspondence, people trying to reconstruct a "historical Jesus" can be more certain that Jesus actually said those things, since Thomas seems to come from a separate tradition from Mark --> Luke and Matthew.)

What I find most interesting about this text is that it can be interpreted in an entirely secular, non-supernatural way: --

* No mention of crucifixion or resurrection.
* No overt mention of final judgement.
* No miracle stories. No legends of Jesus' birth, baptism, travels.
* No overt understanding of Jesus as Messiah. No real reference to Jesus as "Christ", "Lord" or "Son of Man", but only as "Jesus".
* No mention of Lord's Prayer.
* No mention of virgin birth.

I'm not sure there's any reference to an afterlife either. Consider these two verses, which seem to speak of a heaven right here right now:

"51. His disciples said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?' He said to them, 'What you are looking forward to has come, but you don't know it.'"

"113. His disciples said to him, 'When will the kingdom come?' 'It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, "Look, here!" or "Look, there!" Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it.'"

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Couple more quotes...

* Wikipedia: "The teaching of salvation (i.e., entering the Kingdom of Heaven) that is found in The Gospel of Thomas is neither that of 'works' nor of 'grace' as the dichotomy is found in the canonical gospels, but what might be called a third way, that of insight. The overriding concern of The Gospel of Thomas is to find the light within in order to be a light unto the world."

* "Just what is a gospel? Strict usage of the term 'gospel' to designate a genre of literature about Jesus is complex and problematic. The original use of this term in the Christian tradition was technical, describing both the activity of Christian missionaries and the content of their proclamation ["good news"]. Not until the middle of the second century, in the works of the early church writer Justin, do we find this term employed for the first time to denote written documents that present sayings of and stories about Jesus. Ever since the latter half of that century, a great variety of religious writings have come to be called gospels. But the use of this term to characterize a genre is misleading, since all gospels comprise various types of literature. They encompass not only collections of sayings, miracle stories, birth legends, infancy narratives, passion narratives, and resurrection stories, but also apocalypses, revelation discourses, exegetical interpretations of the Jewish scriptures, theological treatises, speculative dialogues, homiletic meditations, and pseudo biographies." -- Ron Cameron, The Other Gospels, 1982.

People have argued with respect to Thomas that it represents the earliest gospel form. Some wise man walks around saying wise things, and you simply write down what he says. Cf the Analects of Confucius. Such a sayings collection might then develop into a dialogue, and then be expanded with explanations of meanings, descriptive details, miracle stories...

* “The idea of a complete and clear-cut canon of the New Testament existing from the beginning, that is from Apostolic times, has no foundation in history. The Canon of the New Testament, like that of the Old, is the result of a development, of a process at once stimulated by disputes with doubters, both within and without the Church, and retarded by certain obscurities and natural hesitations, and which did not reach its final term until the dogmatic definition of the Tridentine Council [in 1546]." -- Catholic Encyclopaedia


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Karma

April 26th 2010 11:29
So the karmic claim is that good works in this life will be rewarded by a better life next time around.

Putting aside the question of whether this is true or false (and for all I know, karma might well be true), it's arguable that there's at least three negative effects of the idea (regardless of how many positives there are).

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I've told this story before, but anyway... I was once at a Q&A session with Derrida... this was about 11 years ago... where he was asked if he, Jacques Derrida, would survive death. People were always asking him strange questions. Derrida initially appeared not to understand, awaited a French translation, and responded to the translation with an exaggerated expression of shock. Cue audience laugh. He then addressed the question seriously, saying that of course he didn't know if there was an afterlife -- no one knows -- but in a sense we all leave traces.

The word "trace" is a loaded term in the phenomenological tradition, but when I've remembered the incident, I've tended to regard Derrida's answer as a simple matter of consequences -- the physical effect, the ripple-effect, that you have on the people and the environment around you.

Some medieval Islamic philosophers had basically the same interpretation of the Quran: the "immortality" and the "afterlife" aren't literal, but are another way of saying that the good you do, and the evil you do, never entirely die with you.

Elsewhere I've suggested that Buddhist reincarnation can be interpreted in a similar vein, like cycles of violence, or cycles of child abuse.

The Islamic writers go on to say that paradise might be well and good for the hoi polloi, but for the more enlightened the belief is a mistake. The problem is that paradise gives you the wrong motivation. It's a bad habit. Instead of doing good for the sake of good, you're doing it for the sake of reward, and God isn't in the business of bribing us, or giving gold stars to school children.

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People sometimes speak of "just war theory" or ask questions about when civil disobedience is justified.

One response to begin with is that all questions of justification are inherently suspicious, and there's a burden of proof on the justifier. After all, there's an apparent injustice that needs to be explained away. War or disobedience are on the face of them wrong (judged according to some assumed framework of values) -- and that was why the question came up in the first place.

You need explanation, defence, apology as to why they're right after all.

Unequal resources -- the gap between rich and poor -- can fall into the same situation. You can regard such inequality as prima facie unjustified (even if you regard unequal distribution of talent as inevitable).

Perhaps you're indoctrinated with democratic or Marxist values and believe in "a fair go", "a level playing field", or "equality of opportunity".

Alternatively, you might believe in a benevolent God, or have metaphysical ideas or ideals about natural order, such that it strikes you as unfair and undeserved that some are born with silver spoons, whilst others are born with none.

In either case, karma can come to the rescue.

When the princess steps down from her carriage, and sees the leper boy starving in the gutter, she can assure herself that the privileges of her birth were justified. That boy was a villain in a past life, but she was an angel, and both are now reaping their harvests. There is no real reason for anyone to envy her, and there is no real reason to pity the boy.

(Consider "divine right of kings".)

Is it ridiculous to suggest that karmic thinking justifies and stabilizes the status quo -- that it's social valium -- that it helps the poor resign themselves to poverty, and the rich to unburden their consciences?

Hasn't it functioned this way in India, for at least two thousand years?

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The third thing wrong with karma is simply that, like a Christian heaven, it can direct energies away from this world and towards the next.

The result can be indifference towards the things of this world, the pleasures and the joys of it -- and also its injustices, sufferings, atrocities -- because later there will be redress and balance.

Such an attitude can callous you, obviously, but every cloud has silver. Looked at from another viewpoint, afterlives are eminently practical -- they console you -- whether the miseries are your own or are others'.

Dazu Wheel of Reincarnation


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Notes

-- Tuesday 29 June 2010: Regarding religion giving the wrong motivation, JS Mill apparently made the same point in a letter in 1847 (Jonathan Ree, "Better, juster, nobler", New Humanist, Volume 124 Issue 6 November/December 2009). In Ree's words: "religion had poisoned the wells of morality by suggesting that we must love our neighbours not for their sake but for our own -- that good-heartedness should be regarded not as the spontaneous fruit of well-being but as a sacrifice made by prudent people in the expectation of being infinitely recompensed in a future life".


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Death of God (Philip Pullman)

March 28th 2008 03:51
From The Amber Spyglass (2000).

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Ghostly voices

September 25th 2007 02:33
Had to link to this site: Perth Ghost Hunters.

"Perth Ghost Hunters offers people in Western Australia (perth metro area and country) a free service. We are 100% non-profit and are always looking for residential homes and buildings to investigate to further pursue our paranormal research... We have evolved over the years into helping the people of Western Australia first hand by using the latest equipment and techniques investigating residentual homes and business's for suspected paranormal activity. By either gathering evidence of a haunting, or finding rational, explainable occurances which are not paranormal related


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Can people die of old age?

December 7th 2006 23:20
Rotating skull
Just a quickie, seeing as this is something I'm particularly ignorant about...

When you medically examine, when you survey, you conclude that a third of the population dies of cancer, a third dies of heart failure, some die of diseases or accidents or violence, etc. (Check out the table at the end of this post.) So it begins to look as if people can never die of old age
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On Confucius, true selves, and community

November 29th 2006 01:32
The ghostly mother of Mrs Mabel Chimney
Famous 1959 spirit photo
There are souls in Christianity as we know it, though I don't know if this was always so. I don't know if there's mention of souls in the old Hebrew texts: cf, for instance, the various ascension stories, where you're physically taken up to heaven, and the traditional Catholic belief in a full bodily resurrection. The authoritative authorityless hive mind of Wikipedia thinks similarly: "One might go as
Lord Combermere Photograph -- spirit photography from 1895
The Lord Combermere Photograph from 1895
far as saying that the word 'soul', in the sense we use it today, did not exist in Hebrew or Aramaic".

There are, of course, souls, of a sort, in Greece and Rome -- though the concept here might seem surprisingly material. For instance, the Stoics and Epicureans believed (basically) that souls are made of very thin atoms. And the common words for soul (psyche, anima, spiritus) refer to wind. When Homeric and Virgilian heroes die, there's always a breath that escapes their lips that rushes down to Hades


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Russell's teapot

October 31st 2006 06:55
This is a straight rip-off from Wikipedia. But too amusing not to share.

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Love your tits

October 19th 2006 09:00
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Self, intelligence, soul

October 18th 2006 08:55
In terms of sense of self, I think people feel that what is most them is lasting. Perhaps there is also a sense that it will survive death. It's not a hard step to go from "self" to "soul".

We imagine the spirit reveals itself in the material


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Self

October 17th 2006 08:46
I'm beginning to think the question should be reformulated. You shouldn't ask about the existence of self, which is nebulous, and leads inevitably to the realm of the unsayable. Rather, you should talk about the sense of self -- which is also nebulous, and which may privilege first-person observations, but which at least is something that people can, vaguely, understand. That table is not me, but this arm is.

It may well be that sense of self is culture- or person-specific, or a matter of the language you grow up with. There are definitely a lot of grey areas. I can look at an object or a person I feel *attached* to and consider them, in some sense, part of me. I can feel a film, or a song, or the ground I'm walking on, or nebulous things like "community" or "nation", to be part of me


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William Lane Craig
William Lane Craig
7.30pm, Tuesday 27 August, 2002. The debate was entitled “Atheism v Christianity”. Speakers were Dr William Lane Craig (Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology, California) and Dr Peter Slezak (Senior Lecturer in the School of History and Philosophy of Science at UNSW). I wasn’t expecting much from the night. Venue was Sydney Town Hall, which seats about 2000 people, and the place was sold out. Neither speaker was paid to be there, though I suspect someone coughed up for Craig’s plane ticket.

Format was: both speakers were meant to give an initial 20 minute presentation, then a 12 minute rebuttal, then an 8 minute rebuttal, then a 5 minute closing summary. Christianity/Craig went first


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Some notes on free will and determinism

September 20th 2006 21:58
* Perfect predictability doesn't necessitate necessity. A block universe would be possible as well as a determinist one.

* Perfect predictability doesn't necessitate necessity. Predictability is an epistemological notion, and necessity a metaphysical one, the first a matter of what you can know, and the second a matter of what exists. So even if you had perfect predictability -- even if God had given you a book with past, present and future written into it -- this would still be compatible with free will


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Shinto: The Way Home by Thomas P Kasulis


Spoke to a prof from University of Hawaii. Requested an introductory list on Eastern philosophy. Was pointed to this very clearly-written book for Shinto


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